gaspari thyrotabs?

[mr3000]

Hi, does anyone have any input on thyrotabs and how well they work, or which product is best for cutting

[Doug_N]

I wouldnt use anything Gaspari has him name on!

[mr3000]

lol, not good products?

[Doug_N]

I dont know if there good; BUT Personally every time I met him he was a dick. At the gym or at my buddies place.And I wont put money in someones pocket I dont respect.

[anabolism]

I believe they helped me get leaner while dieting. Just combine with some type of thermogenic for optimal results.

[mr3000]

ok, what thermogenic would ya'll recommend?

[anabolism]

Oh man, there are so many out there. Lipo-6 has a good name and so does cyto-lean. And of course clen works well. *LoL*

[mr3000]

yea theres alot, hard to find one that actually works!

[BioHazard03]

How is your nutrition? How many meals? Total kcal? Macro count?

[mr3000]

well, i'm getting back into shape after about a year hiatus from working out,(BIG MISTAKE), im looking for something to help kickstart my body back into shape.... this is the diet im about to start:

BREAKFAST
Bagels, cinnamon-raisin, 1 bagel (4" dia)
Peanut Butter, smooth style, 2 tbsp
Nestle Nesquik Chocolate, 2 tbsp
Silk Soy Milk, 1 cup
ON's Vanilla Ice Cream Whey Protein, 2 serving



LUNCH
starkist chunk light Tuna in water, 2.5 serving
starkist chunk light Tuna in water, 2.5 serving
Milk, 2%, 2 cup
ON's Vanilla Ice Cream Whey Protein, 2 serving

DINNER
Vegetables, Mixed Salad Greens, 2 serving(s)
top sirloin, 12 oz
Brown Rice, long grain, 1 cup



SNACKS
CLIF Builders Chocolate Protein bar, 1 serving 270 30 8 20
Silk Soy Milk, 1 cup 100 8 4 7
ON's Vanilla Ice Cream Whey Protein, 1 serving 120 3 1 24
Almonds, 0.5 cup, whole 410 14 36 15

TOTAL
CALORIES CARBS FAT PROTEIN
3,481 224 116 377

[Storm]

Originally Posted by mr3000

yea theres alot, hard to find one that actually works!

They all work. They are ment to supplement a good diet & training regime not take the place of one.

[BioHazard03]

Your diet is horrible. I will recap the solid food you eat for the entire day.
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Bagels, cinnamon-raisin, 1 bagel (4" dia)
Peanut Butter, smooth style, 2 tbsp
Silk Soy Milk, 1 cup
starkist chunk light Tuna in water, 2.5 serving
starkist chunk light Tuna in water, 2.5 serving
Milk, 2%, 2 cup
Vegetables, Mixed Salad Greens, 2 serving(s)
top sirloin, 12 oz
Brown Rice, long grain, 1 cup
CLIF Builders Chocolate Protein bar, 1 serving 270 30 8 20
Silk Soy Milk, 1 cup 100 8 4 7
ON's Vanilla Ice Cream Whey Protein, 1 serving 120 3 1 24
Almonds, 0.5 cup, whole 410 14 36 15
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First of all, what are you training for? Why are you consuming 3400 kcals per day? Your not eating solid meals. You are relying on protein powders and milk for your main protein intake. Your choice of peanut butter is a bad idea. A lot of people use peanut butter in their diets and find certain justifications for it. Simply, it's an unnecessary fat. In smaller servings, it can be useful. 2 tablespoons usually contains around 200 kcals with 15 grams of fat. Dude...that's not nutrient dense at all. You can get more use of better foods that are 200 kcals. Your Nestle chocolate plan...where did you get that idea? How is this beneficial? All this is going to do is going to give you an insulin spike. The insulin will shuttle the glucose into adipose tissue. Why are you choosing soy milk? Why are you choosing 2% milk? Your fat intake is way too high. I could go on and on about your bad choices and diet. Dude...I'm not trying to flame you or be condescending or anything. Sorry if you are taking it that way. Moving forward...you only have 4 meals. You need to have around five or six smaller meals. The USDA requires people to have a % breakdown of their total caloric intake to look like this: 50-60% should be carbohydrates, 10-15% should be protein, and less than 30% should be fats. This is fine for individuals who are just trying to be healthy, and they generally do not workout. I personally think this should be changed or people should understand that these values are not set in stone. The % breakdown should change from individual to individual depending on how active they are and what they are trying to achieve. I personally think that individuals who are active and workout (A simple two to three gym visits per week will work with this % breakdown.) should have something like this: 50% protein, 40% carbs, and 10% fats. The average female should consume 1600-1800 calories per day. The average male should consume around 2000-2200 calories per day. Keep in mind that the amount of calories can vary from person to person because of their individual goals or needs.

[anabolism]

Ahhh..... Biohazard. Hear Bio out..... he goes through the trouble of writing out some solid advise. A good guy.

As you become educated you will find that there is always more than one way to skin a cat (to get in shape)........ but some of the scientific principals still remain the same.

[mr3000]

lol, thanks for the advice, my diet has always been my problem.....i read that protein shakes with soy milk burn more fat, and the nestle chocolate powder was just for taste and calories..................know anywhere where i can get good meal plans for adding muscle and getting lean?

[Storm]

This outline is planned for someone whos workout falls between meals 3 & 4.
Meal #1 simple protein + high glycemec carb = fruit
Meal #2 complex protein + complex carb = grain
Meal #3 complex protein + med. glycemec carb = sweet potatoe
Meal #4 (post workout) simple protein + high glycemec carb
Meal #5 complex protein + low glycemec carb = veggie
Meal #6 med. glycemec carb + fiber = high fiber fruit
Meal #7 complex protein + fat = fish

Spend some time in the nutrition forum

[mr3000]

ok thanks for the help!

[p.s.]

Unlike Bio I have no issues using protein powder as my main source of protein. However I mix it with water and two table spoons of flax oil. I agree with Bio that your idea of a diet is WAY OFF base and if you want to get lean and make some moderate muscle gains then you really need to review/research the diet forum as well as get online and read any and all BBing related info regarding nutrition.

You will find that we all tend to have similar yet somewhat different ways in which we diet, but then our bodies do differ somewhat genetically. You however are just a beginner as far as nutrition goes for you right now 3 solid high protein, moderate fat (EFAs), and low to moderate carb meals are the basics of your diet and 3 protein shakes in water with a bit of flax oil is the best place to start. Try and eat every 2.5 hours and set it up so that you have a meal then a shake then a meal etc.

Have a shake plus high glycemic carbs post workout (this is not included in your meals). This plus some of the info above will help to get you into better shape...Oh and you do not need 3400 cals unless you want to bulk up. Try and get 2500 cals at most per day.