ok im about 17... im buddies with the Jim guy.. n ive got everything pretty set up with what i wanna do but i don't really any good shoulder or trap workouts n i was wondering if you guys had any??

Why don't you post what your workouts look like now?

M $

cleans, push press, heavy side laterals, rear dealt laterals

I just do the basics really.... bench/incline, squat, varius curls, powerclean, pullups, pulldowns, dips, n front press

Shoulders is one of my strongpoints because they used to really be lagging behind everything else and I made it a point to bring them up to size. Understand that your shoulders have three heads or three different sections. You want to hit all three for that well rounded look. The hardest part of the shoulder to develop is the rear head. I put it first in my workouts by doing lying lateral raises on an incline bench. It sort of pre-exausts them, and makes them work harder for the rest of my workout. Then medial (middle heads) I do heavy lateral raises while standing, and for the front heads i do front raises. These are just ways to isolate each section of your shoulder. Your bread and butter for shoulders are really heavy presses with either dumbells or a barbell. These will pack on the meat when you start moving up to some heavy weight.
For Traps I do dumbell shrugs, and barbells shrugs with the bar in front of my thighs and in back of my thighs. If you are just starting, I would get my grip strength up by not using wrist straps for a month or so, and your traps will still get a good workout... but when they start getting strong, you are going to need some straps to compensate for that trap strength vs. grip strength.. Cut and dry bro, your grip cannot hold the amount of weight that your traps can shrug upwards once you get strong. (i've had that argument with quite a few idiots that had small traps) By far, the best wrist straps I have ever used are called Versa-Grips. Search it on Google and buy a pair. The cotton ones just don't cut it once you have these.
Here's my shoulder routine:
3 sets x 8-10 reps dumbell rear delt lateral raises
3 sets x 8-10 reps Barbell military presses
3 sets x 8-10 dumbell side lateral raises
3 sets x 8-10 dumbell front raises
3 sets x 8-10 dumbell push presses
3 sets x 8-10 dumbell shrugs
3 sets x 8-10 barbell shrugs in front of thighs (Smith machine)
3 sets x 8-10 barbell shrugs in back of thighs (Smith machine)
Works like a champ. Hope this was help to ya. Good luck bro.

that looks like a good sholder / trap work out. what is your work out schedual. for the rest of your body? chest- tri - back - Bi's - legs? usualy i do legs and sholders on the same day but im always looking for ways to tweek my work outs. i do the chest / tir..... back / bi..... legs/sholders.

I get much better results working traps on back day. Heavy dead lifts will bring them up, too, even without shrugs. You'll never see anyone who can pull 405 or better with weak traps.

thanks muscle n blood thats gonna help me get to where i wanna be

what if i dont have a smith machine tho?? what can i use to substitute for it?

I never use a smith machine unless injured. My back work is like this:
deadlifts
barbell rows
wide grip pulldowns
seated cable rows
hammer strength pulldowns
basically, 2 pulldown or chin movements, and two rowing movements, plus deads. I might do some shrugs if I happen toi feel like it.

shoulder work is:
bent laterals for rear delts
seated barbell military press
side laterals
front raises
latelyt, I've been working back on tuesday and shoulders on thursday. I try to hit everything hard with a good bit of volume every 6 days.

thats awsome ... never lookd at it that way might change somethings up now

my split is(no day in particular)
day 1: chest
day 2: back
day 3: shoulders/traps
day 4: off
day 5: arms
day 6: legs
day 7: off

I also do abs every other day on workout days, and a lot of guys work their calves the same way. I've been blessed with nice calves so I only need to work them once/week. I use instinctive training. If I feel really shitty that day or I'm way way too sore to lift, I'll take the day off from lifting. I maximize my work/rest the best I can to ensure that I'm at the best of my abilities when I do hit the iron. And if I miss a day, I pick up where I left off. I'm not a M, Tues, Wed, Thurs.. I've got to work this on that day, type of guy. It's a lot easier in the long run, and a lot easier to stick with when life barges it's way into your workouts.

I also do cardio every other day here's an example:
day 1: 4 mile run (slow pace)
day 2: off
day 3: mountain bike for 1-2 hours
day 4: off
day 5: swim for 45 minutes any stroke continuous
day 6: cross-country run 20 minutes out/20 minutes back
day 7: off

This workout isn't for bulking though. It's for general conditioning and for shedding some unwanted pounds about 12 weeks out from an event/contest. To get really ripped, I'll do cardio for at least 30 mins a day and eat really clean. These are pretty good guidelines if you aren't looking to get too bulky and just want to grow and stay fit at the same time.

NoMaD10th
that work out is very advance for a 17yo kid, he may want to start with Military press and barbell shrugs and work from there. I wouldnt try that workout except for maybe shock my muscles once a month and I have been working out for 24 years. lol I adhere to the hit it hard and get out protocol, which works for me.