new to the board. be surfing it for a while, finally decided to "Troll" for a little.

i have a question about creatine and it's side effects. I asked my doctor about it and she told me that creatine is bad on your liver. I've done research on the internet and the only side effects it gave discriptions of were, dehyration and cramping. and them breifly at the bottom it sais, "may cause liver and kidney damage".

what exactly does creatine to do the liver? i know that the liver itself naturally makes creatine, but what about if you are taking it seperately?

Creatine can have some really bad effects. I have to hit the books to give them all to you, but off the top off my head how about high blood pressure, blood in your stool?

See you later.

I also find creatine to be absolutely useless.

Like all supplements, you must consider moderation.

With creatine, you have to make sure you consume a lot of water, if not, than you have issues with your liver and kidney's and what not.

With this said, I don't believe it's useless, nor harmful with the right knowledge application. Some people do not find success using creatine, and most do. When I use creatine I don't see side effects like water retention, however, do see increased performance and less lactic acid build-up.

Take a look at this website - read it. It takes a whole 10 minutes to quickly inform yourself.

http://www.creatinefacts.com

Quick copy and paste for the lazy:

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Is creatine monohydrate harmful?

In my opinion creatine use has four possible avenues that might ultimately lead to adverse consequences. Firstly, abnormally high levels of creatine in the body have been shown to halt the absorption of creatine by skeletal muscle. This is a classic example of biological feedback. The production of creatine in the liver is also subject to this same negative feedback mechanism; creatine production is interrupted when creatine availability is high. These physiological responses make sense since the body should not have to waste energy storing or producing creatine if it is already present at high levels. It is thus possible that exposing the body to elevated creatine levels for prolonged periods might shut off creatine absorption and synthesis for longer than actually necessary. In short, the reversibility of this effect needs to be better understood in humans. The second avenue is that creatine use causes our muscles to retain water making them swell. This is a process known as muscle volumizing. Certain types of athlete, such as bodybuilders, might find this effect desirable because of the pump that ensues. Other athletes, on the other hand, may find that the increase in body mass is a detriment to their performance. It is easy to imagine how a few extra kilos might compromise one's performance in the marathon. Closer consideration, however, reveals that muscle volumizing might equally lead to dehydration and muscle cramping if not compensated for by adequate fluid intake. The third potential problem (alluded to earlier in this article) is the extraordinary stress creatine use might place on the kidneys, especially during the loading phase. During the loading phase the kidneys have to work extra hard to remove any unabsorbed creatine from the blood stream. Therefore, I highly recommend that you not extend the loading phase for more than five days and that persons predisposed to renal complications, such as diabetics, abstain from using creatine. Fortunately, scientific studies have preliminarily indicated that short- and moderate-term creatine use is well tolerated by persons with normal creatine function (5). A final potential problem is that creatine is not regulated by the FDA taking a lot of the responsibility away from creatine manufacturers. This in combination with the fact that creatine is a multi-billion dollar industry is a formula for abuse. Fierce market competition has caused creatine manufacturers to relax quality control measures in order to keep production cost low and to remain competitive. On the up side, this has caused a huge drop in the price of commercial creatine monohydrate. On the downside, certain contaminants that might possess adverse properties could be escaping detection. This is particularly true for cheaper brands of creatine and is especially worrisome during the loading phase when grams of contaminants could potentially be consumed weekly. Buy your creatine from a reputable manufacturer!

I find Creatine extreamly bad for the liver enzymes, I always use it when I am on a Anadrol-50 and Dbol cycle, and it brings my liver values completely out of this world. Has to be the creatne.
Bad stuff bro,

Kahoona
:D

thank you, but does anyone have any proven facts with scientific proof that it causes liver and or kidney damage?

Like I said brother, with moderation.

If creatine is so harmful, it would be a banned substance - considering it's found in meat and fish, it's not an amino acid we just created. If you take your 4 grams daily with proper water intake it will not harm your kidney or liver. Problems begin when a) you're not drink enough fluids and b) you're intaking too much creatine.