Hi, planning my last bulk cycle for the year. Thinking about running deca 300 at 2ml per week for ten weeks, but adding dbol at 20mg per day for the first 5 weeks and then switching to either test cypionate or tren enanthate for the last 5 weeks(any suggestions as to which one?), and then maybe finnishing of with some winny to harden evrything up before cutting.

That sound good? Any and all suggestions will be appreciated.

It takes cyp 4 or 5 weeks just to get in the system good. Its hard to give you advice without knowing stats. Age, height, bf%, goals, ect. But this is what I would do.

Test cyp 1-12
deca 1-10
dbol 1-4 or 5
standard PCT 2 weeks after last inject.

And also it doesn't really make any sense to add winny to a bulking cycle IMO. As for the tren, it doesn't sound like your ready for that yet. Repost your cycle with intended mg's for how long. How many cycles have you completed?

And also it doesn't really make any sense to add winny to a bulking cycle IMO. As for the tren, it doesn't sound like your ready for that yet.

Bump stealth, but some ppl like learning the hard way.

This is only for GearNoob!
Your cycle sounds great bro! I'd go with the enth . It seems to cause more pain.:)

Big Bump to what Stealth said. Test IMO should be the base for a cycle and 5 wks of it wont be long enough.

Yea, test needs to be the base of every cycle in my opinion, as far as the winny, how could it hurt? I know I can bulk on test/tren/winny.

I only like finnishing up a bulking cycle with winny, because it hardens al the new gains up, and gives me good definition. Hey stealth, why do you think I should not go for tren. e.? Would I get the same results from test. cyp.? But thanks for the advice about running test from the beginning, will do so.

I only like finnishing up a bulking cycle with winny, because it hardens al the new gains up, and gives me good definition. Hey stealth, why do you think I should not go for tren. e.? Would I get the same results from test. cyp.? But thanks for the advice about running test from the beginning, will do so.

tren E works great but the sides can be alot worse than cyp or just enth. imo..if your new to this i would stick with deca and test cyp...for 18 weeks.

I only like finnishing up a bulking cycle with winny, because it hardens al the new gains up, and gives me good definition. Hey stealth, why do you think I should not go for tren. e.? Would I get the same results from test. cyp.? But thanks for the advice about running test from the beginning, will do so.
Because I can tell your not ready for tren by the way you were planning your cycle. You don't even know how your going to react to tren and you plan to use tren E. If you can't handle the sides of tren, its going to make rough on you using the long estered version, meaning the sides won't go away as quick as you would like for them to. A lot of you new guys out there think the more chemicals the better, but I have news for you. The chemicals only take up about 5% of it. The rest of it is diet, sleep, and training properly. Personally I think your cycle is very poorly planned out, due to the fact that you haven't done your research. If it were me, I would put the needle down, and hide my gear till I was ready. Injecting chemicals into your body that you have no idea what they are for and no idea of the sides of these chemicals spells bad news. Good luck bro.

Big Bump to Stealth AGAIN. With the questions your asking you jumped into this without really knowing what your doing; or knowing what the drugs your injecting will do.
Your posts contradict each other so I (we) really dont know what experience you have or if you've ever done a cycle. The above cycle your trying to plan as your doing it WILL NOT CUT IT.
I suggest the following. STOP RIGHT NOW and call this one a loss. Learn what your doing FIRST.

Now The only info I'll give you now is PCT ( post cycle treatment). Start Tribulis right away 3 gm ED for the next 2-3 months. 2 wks after your last shoot start Nolvadex pyramid up to 100mg ED. Do this over4-6 wks.

Thanks for the advice guys, I have done a cycle of deca 300 @ 2ml a week and d-bol @ 20mg ed and finnished it up with winny for 2 weeks, which gave me great definition. I believe I am not very susceptible to sides as I got no sides whatsoever from the d-bols, but I know that test and tren are different from d-bol and the sides are too.

Just asking out of advice, because my diet and nutrition are in order and I am getting great results already but would just like that extra bit more. But don't you guys think that the only way of finding out what Tren E does to me, would be using it and seeing?

But if you still feel that I should rather go for the test cyp with the deca 300 for 12 weeks, then please feel free to say so. I truly appreciate your advice and realy thank you for sharing it.

O, and the only reason I am leaning towards the tren e in the first place is because this cycle would be the last one of my life, and I want to make it count, so I would like the gains to be the best possible.

BTW, thanks again for the advice.

You started this tread by saying "your planning your last bulking cycle for the year" And now your last post you say all ya good has good definition. So you cut up on your first cycle of your life now your gonna bulk up on your last cycle of your life? Isnt that a little backwards?
Just admit U have NO IDEA what your doing. At this point I am UNeasy giving you any advice. So will just leave you with: your gonna hurt yourself or mess yourself up and need to stop and really learn what your doing.