Hey all,

I am 5 ft 7 inches, weight is approx 183 pounds and I am an amateur mma fighter (Mainly Muai Thai, Kickboxing/boxing). My arms aren't very long but my arms and legs are quite muscular for my size.
My Goal for the next twelve months is to cut my body fat down as between fights I tend to increase my weight. My ideal fighting weight is 170 pounds.
I have checked up on a lot of sites and have found this stack should help me out a lot:

Clen * 2
Winn-50 * 2
Tren 75

Would this be a good stack for a 8 week cycle?

This will be my first cycle but I have been researching for a little over 6 months now and feel that this is the most effective method to achieving my goals.

Also my age is 20. I know it is still young but I have monitored my bodys growth and compared my height to my parents and do not believe that by taking steroids that it would stunt my growth much if at all.

I have future plans to gain muscle mass but that won't be until I am 22 with at least 1 and a half years natural training.... hopefully

dude, have you ever cycled before? im not sure you want to start off with tren, its one of the harshest steroids their is. and tren without testosterone is not a good idea if you want your penis to function properly.

what I would use is clen and diet. maybe t3. clen will help preserve muscle while cutting.

In all honesty this is my first cycle. I wanted to take steroids when I was 18/19 but instead waited until now so I had more information and felt my body could handle it. I will take your advice on board Nitro. My diet is a good diet for cutting, I believe and I'm not afraid of some exercise so hopefully I'll be in good shape after the cycle. - If you can think of anything that might help me just post here or else send me a PM - Thanks again

some people never use tren because of its side effects. hair loss , gyno and some men have even experienced lactation (breast milk) and those ones are the easy ones to deal with.

aside from that I usually sugest focusing on only one goal. either build muscle and bulk up, or diet and cut down. I would not try to do both at the same time, its very diffacult to do.

now all that into consideration, your cycle isn't bad if you have had years of expeirence, but I think you can reach the same goal with much less drugs.

In all honesty this is my first cycle. I wanted to take steroids when I was 18/19 but instead waited until now so I had more information and felt my body could handle it. I will take your advice on board Nitro. My diet is a good diet for cutting, I believe and I'm not afraid of some exercise so hopefully I'll be in good shape after the cycle. - If you can think of anything that might help me just post here or else send me a PM - Thanks again


IMO you dont need to cycle, esp if you are looking to drop weight. mr.nitro is right about the tren, its prety hardcore stuff if you are newb with the gear. Just train hard, lots of reps and eat right. Your not gonna drop the weight as easy with that stack. Save the gear for when your ready to pack on the muscle, you will make better use of it.

Gotta agree with what the guys above said already. Once you have your diet in check there will be no problem with getting to the weight you are looking for especially in the next 12 months.

tren is non-aromatising- hence no gyno.
tren does not convert to DHT-hence no hair loss.
erection problems? yes, even with test in the mix.

I never get tren related side effects..Even at 200mg a day. Everyone reacts different to it. But i think the tren sides are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy overhyped.

tren is non-aromatising- hence no gyno.
tren does not convert to DHT-hence no hair loss.
erection problems? yes, even with test in the mix.

you can get prolactin related gyno from tren. worse part is you can't stop that with nolvadex. and im almost certain tren thins out some peoples hair. I have none to test this theory on.

tren also give me shortness of breath, nite sweats, and sometimes a nasty cough.

does that stop me? no, but Im not normal

Hey Androarm,

I would do like the rest have suggested and tweak your diet. Theres plenty of research you can do by hitting 'search' and typing in 'cutting'. If you still have a problem losing bf, then consider an eca stack. It's not as effective as clen, but causes a lot less sides. Plus, it will give you energy, when clen makes you feel like shit.

Jm2c:)

cough-yep, I got that
shortness of breath- yep that too
night sweats- oh man, sometimes gotta change the sheets in the middle of the night.

I didn't have any erection problems, but I had test in the mix. I got joint pains near the site but that couldv'e been the mix itself, and hardcore acne... like those tiny bumps that turned into pimples over time after consulting with a dermatologist all over my face that took 3 months to get rid of... but that could just be the mix too.