Fellas, I will be starting my off-season massing cycle and regimen beginning in Sept or Oct... got to look at a calendar so I time the gap between off-season and prepping cycle just right.

It will be a 15 week cycle as follows:

wk 1-15........Test E @ 625mg per week
wk 5-15......Tren @ 300mg per week (200 E and 100 Ace)
wk 5-11...... 50mg Anadrol + 20mg D-bol
wk 11-15.... Humalog (fast acting 'slin)

Only comments from the experienced guys please.

I plan on running the tren for 10 weeks...the final 10 weeks of the cycle. I'll have 4 more weeks remaining after cessasion of the orals. I thought I'd use Humalog post workout for the remaining 4 weeks. Not sure if this matters when I choose to run the 'slin.

Estrogen management: Could I get away with running 25mg of proviron from weeks 5-15? I have used 50mg proviron for prepping before with great results but here my goal is not a quality look rather effective estrogen maintainance while massing on an estogenic cycle. I want to avoid gyno symptoms as I have accrued some permenent (but minimal) signs of gyno from my last season. Should I perhaps throw in 20mg nolva at the inclusion of the orals? I was thinking 25mg proviron and 20mg nolva at the inclusion of orals.

Fellas, I will be starting my off-season massing cycle and regimen beginning in Sept or Oct... got to look at a calendar so I time the gap between off-season and prepping cycle just right.

It will be a 15 week cycle as follows:

wk 1-15........Test E @ 625mg per week
wk 5-15......Tren @ 300mg per week (200 E and 100 Ace)
wk 5-11...... 50mg Anadrol + 20mg D-bol
wk 11-15.... Humalog (fast acting 'slin)

Only comments from the experienced guys please.

I plan on running the tren for 10 weeks...the final 10 weeks of the cycle. I'll have 4 more weeks remaining after cessasion of the orals. I thought I'd use Humalog post workout for the remaining 4 weeks. Not sure if this matters when I choose to run the 'slin.

Estrogen management: Could I get away with running 25mg of proviron from weeks 5-15? I have used 50mg proviron for prepping before with great results but here my goal is not a quality look rather effective estrogen maintainance while massing on an estogenic cycle. I want to avoid gyno symptoms as I have accrued some permenent (but minimal) signs of gyno from my last season. Should I perhaps throw in 20mg nolva at the inclusion of the orals? I was thinking 25mg proviron and 20mg nolva at the inclusion of orals.

What is your injection schedule going to look like? I've done a cycle similar to this and I split up all compounds for an eod injection. It cuts down on injection volume and believe it or not, stabalizes blood levels better. You'll be hitting the Ace eod anyway, make it simple. I'd drop the dbol, I think drol alone will get you the results you are looking for and less stress on your liver. I know you aren't a novice, but your kidneys and liver will probably thank you for some milk thistle and liv 52 during and after (if you haven't already planned on taking this).

I think you should take some dostinex (cabasar) during this cycle (.5mg per day) mainly because you have tren and anadrol going together. If you have any aromatization at all it could get ugly.

For me, proviron did nothing but thin my hair, I'm not a big fan, there are better ways (read below) to control test/aromatization/estrogenic sides.

I have tried all different things when it comes to controlling estrogen during a cycle, and have had gyno a couple different times. A common myth is that using an AI during a cycle will inhibit gains because you need some estrogen to gain muscle. I've found this not only to not be true but you put yourself in danger of aromatization, ESPECIALLY with the combo of tren, the gyno can get bad. I would really suggest taking an AI during this cycle, and I think aromasin (exemestane) is the best one. It increases IGF levels up to 26% and has no effect on libido. I have not personally had any negative sides from it at all and I've gained a significant amount of weight/muscle during cycles taking it at 25mg per day. Additionally, I have recently just gotten off cycle and taken Visions (from xxl) approach to aromasin/HCG during cycle and PCT and I am very happy with the results. I took 25mg of Aromasin per day and 500iu HCG e3d. My testicles stayed full, no estrogenic negative sides to speak of, and I gained 20lbs during a 6 week cycle of 125mg sust/50mg tren eod. I am currently on the back side of my PCT and recovery is excellent. Nolvadex is good if you start to get gyno, but other than that, there are better things, like what I listed above. Just my 2 cents. Hope this helps a little, and like I said I know you aren't a novice so I hope I didn't offend you with any of my advice, I know you know, just my opinions. ;)

Hey cannons. Much appreciated for you taking the time to comment.

Yes, I will be injecting two times per week as to keep blood levels more consistent. The 300mg tren is a combo product of 200mg Enanthate + 100 Ace. So I will hit this @ 150mg twice per week mixed into a single syringe with the Test Enanthate each injection.

Yes, I will be running Milk Thistle concurrent with the orals but I still plan on running both Anadrol and D-bol together. Gavin Kane has an interesting article on taking a lower dose of each and combining them to get the best of both worlds.

It is possible that I follow your advice on the aromasin @ 25mg per day. Maybe this will be enough to keep estro sides at bay. Not sure about the Cabaser though. If it is anything like Bromo then no. Bromo made me light-headed, killed my appetite and gave me hardened stools. I don't believe that progesterone or prolactin is a direct cause of gyno though. But maybe I'm wrong. I'll maybe just try the aromasin and see if this is enough to keep gyno at bay.

More comments are welcome........

Hey cannons. Much appreciated for you taking the time to comment.

Yes, I will be injecting two times per week as to keep blood levels more consistent. The 300mg tren is a combo product of 200mg Enanthate + 100 Ace. So I will hit this @ 150mg twice per week mixed into a single syringe with the Test Enanthate each injection.

Yes, I will be running Milk Thistle concurrent with the orals but I still plan on running both Anadrol and D-bol together. Gavin Kane has an interesting article on taking a lower dose of each and combining them to get the best of both worlds.

It is possible that I follow your advice on the aromasin @ 25mg per day. Maybe this will be enough to keep estro sides at bay. Not sure about the Cabaser though. If it is anything like Bromo then no. Bromo made me light-headed, killed my appetite and gave me hardened stools. I don't believe that progesterone or prolactin is a direct cause of gyno though. But maybe I'm wrong. I'll maybe just try the aromasin and see if this is enough to keep gyno at bay.

More comments are welcome........

I'm interested in that article about the drol + dbol. I myself am a huge dbol fan when it comes to adding strength and size fast, so I want to take a look at that.

The cabasar improves your libido and it's not harsh at all. I do remember getting a little dizzy on it a couple times but I had drank a beer or two. Alcohol probably not a good mix. I've not used bromo but from what I understand cabasar is our relief from the nasty bromo. I think your right on with that though, if you keep the aromatization from estrogen at bay with the aromasin I think you won't have to worry about anything, because I am pretty sure what makes that particular gyno so bad is that the progesterone/prolactin combines with the already aromatized test, if there is no aromatization, nothing to worry about.... Something like that. Anyway, there's my piece on the rest.

Have u got that article about Dbol and Drol mix? Like the cycle - simple and effective. I run similar without the slin as I don't need it for powerlifting.

Cabasar(Dostinex) is a hell of a lot easy on sides than bromo.

I agree about Gavins advice on using both drol and dbol at lower doses. I did the same last yr with injectable forms of both and only had to take 25mg of each ed. Even then the fluid retention and cramps were ridiculous. .5 mg of dex eod solved that problem.

The only thing that concerns me is the esters in your tren mix. I personally don't like the 100mg of tren ace. Imo, this is just to much of a spike. I would rather run one or the other. (ace or enth) I like ace at 75mg to 100 mg ed.

Jm2c:)

BTW. I'll try to find Gavins article on the oral combination. I know I have it somewhere.

The only thing that concerns me is the esters in your tren mix. I personally don't like the 100mg of tren ace. Imo, this is just to much of a spike.The mix isn't too bad but I folloow what you're saying. Technically I will only be injecting 50mg of the Tren Ace twice per week wich is really only enough to spur an anabolic effect for one or two days but I will also be getting Tren Enanthate @ 100mg twice per week. So 300mg per week total split into two injects.

Cool anabolism ! You know your body better than anyone else.:)

BTW, Start posting at MM again. We miss your insight Bro!!!