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Colt1911
05-23-2008, 02:54 AM
Hey guys! New here to Freakz and I need some advice on a cycle I'm planning.

First off, stats would be useful! I'm 26, 5'8", 175lbs, ~8%bf. Been training about six years so far with about 18 months hard and heavy. I've been reading fitness books like there's no tomorrow and learning all I can about AAS and the proper usage of them. I've also put a lot of research into my training and diet. So let's just assume that they're both spot-on for the sake of this post. I really don't feel like posting it all out in detail because it's pretty late. Just know that I eat a fuckload of protein and carbs with the proper amount of fat. There will undoubtedly be a caloric surplus.

A couple of years ago, I bought some prohormones because I fell for the whole "If it's legal, it must be okay!" thing, then researched them AFTER I ordered them and decided that it wasn't a good idea considering where I was in my diet and training. I now think I'm ready for the real thing.

I've been planning on finally taking the plunge into real gear by doing a test only cycle. (500mg/wk Test E split into two doses followed by Nolva PCT with the standard 40-30-20) I was cleaning out my cabinets today though and I stumbled across my old PH stash. I've got two bottles of Prostanozol, one of Methyl-Drol (same as Superdrol), and one of Retain (some sort of PCT thing that I don't even remember). They all expire this fall, so I thought I might try to get some use out of them, you know?

I've been researching them for the past few hours tonight and trying to find reviews, training logs, cycle reccomendations, etc. So far I've found that people run Superdrol in a similar way to Dianabol. 30mg for four weeks and then they run PCT. I don't want to do a four-week cycle though because that just seems senseless. I'd like to use the Methyl-Drol to jump-start my Test cycle in weeks 1-4.

As far as prostanozol, I've read that it's relatively weak for adding strength and mass and is more of a hardening agent. This seems like it would be most effective at the end of a cycle to cut any bloat and help with the finishing touches. So I was planning on running it during weeks 8-12.

The orals have short half-lives (8 hours max) while the test is long, so this leaves me with a bit of confusion as to when to start the PCT. Normally I'd wait a week or two before starting the Nolva if I was just doing Test, but with these orals factored in, it seems like I should start immediately. I haven't read any logs with people using orals at the end of their cycle, so I'm not certain.

Methyl-Drol: Weeks 1-4
Test E: Weeks 1-12
Prostanozol: Weeks 8-12

PCT: Help?

Anyways, does this sound like a terrible idea? I'll be taking lots of precautionary supplements because of the orals like milk thistle, red yeast rice, etc.

So, should I keep the orals or just stick with the test-only cycle? Thanks a lot guys.

jamoliv
05-23-2008, 03:42 AM
bloody hell - someone that has done their research :D:D:D

Welcome to freakz bro and that is a great first post...


PH's can be run with AAS as long as you treat them like oral AAS and keep the runs nice and short, 4-5 weeks.

the cycle you listed is a good cycle and yes why not use the PH's if you have got them - I am not a fan of them myself but include them in a cycle as you have is fine..

Now the only thing I would say that goes against your cycle is that one reason a test only cycle is recommended is so you can see how your body feels and reacts to test as this should be the base of all your cycles..

lets say in week 2 and 3 you get bloat, acne, gyno then how do you work out which compound is giving it/them to you ? is it the test or the Methyl-Drol?

Now if you do decided to run all three compounds its really no big if, but I would be inclined to run the Prostanozol up to your pct in weeks 12-15 - it has a very short half life so you can start your pct the day after your last tab - time this 3 weeks after your last test E/C injection... running it tis way also gives you a long break between the two orals

Methyl-Drol: Weeks 1-4
Test E: Weeks 1-12
Prostanozol: Weeks 12-15

Storm
05-24-2008, 09:15 AM
Hey guys! New here to Freakz and I need some advice on a cycle I'm planning.

First off, stats would be useful! I'm 26, 5'8", 175lbs, ~8%bf. Been training about six years so far with about 18 months hard and heavy. I've been reading fitness books like there's no tomorrow and learning all I can about AAS and the proper usage of them. I've also put a lot of research into my training and diet.

YEAAYY!
and welcome to Freaks

I would suggest putting the PH back in the cupboard for now. The experation date is no big deal, they will still be good after (possibly a little less potent). When you run the test, you want to know how the test is effecting you. With other compounds in there you won't know which is doing what.

Colt1911
05-24-2008, 05:25 PM
Yeah, you've definitely got a point about needing to know which compound is causing any issues I might have. I'll run this cycle test-only and I'll keep the PH's around for my next cycle a few months later. I don't want to overload my body all at once anyway. I should get good growth from the test.

Thanks for the input!
And the warm welcome. :)