Hey Bros,

I have used slin in the past with great results. I'm going to incorporate it into my cycle. I work out 5 days a week and am only going to take it post-workout. It's been a few years since I've taken it, so I'm going to start off at 3iu and work my way up from there towards 10iu post-workout, if I feel I can tolerate that much. I have done plenty of research on this and have a ton of knowledge on it. However, I have one, just one, unanswered question after my thorough quest for knowledge:

Is it better to run it PWO on every workout day (5 days per week) for 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off OR to run PWO on Monday, Wednesday, & Fri continuously throughout my cycle?

If I had to choose, I would rather go with the continuous route. Or could I run it 5 days per week, taking 2 days off, continuous throughout my cycle?

FYI, my cycle consists of 750mg of Test and 400mg of EQ EW for 10 more weeks. Been on for 5 weeks so far, but want to make the most of it.

Thanks in advance.

if you are just using log pwo then you will be fine to use it for longer runs and more times in the weeks..

Its when you start using R during the day and log pwo that you need to keep the runs shorter..

I do remember reading somewhere that just by using log pwo 4-5 times a week a 15 week run was not unheard of.. I have done 12 weeks like this and have experience no problems but I never went above 10ius - I know some guys going up to 18-20 pwo for 12 weeks - thats to much for me..

Right on. Thanks for your PM as well. I got the Humulin R. The pharmacy said I will need a script for the Humalog, so I will only be using the Humulin R. So, as it stands the best way to take the Humulin R is PWO, 5 days a week, for 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, etc?

Right on. Thanks for your PM as well. I got the Humulin R. The pharmacy said I will need a script for the Humalog, so I will only be using the Humulin R. So, as it stands the best way to take the Humulin R is PWO, 5 days a week, for 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, etc?

no - sorry I assumed you had log...my bad

If you have R then do 3ius with each meal - you cant really use R pwo like you do log - R has to long a peak and it will be hard to time your carb intake to last the full duration of the peak.. with log the peak is only about 1 hour so this is ideal.. with R the peak can last 2-4 hours so you can see the timing will be hard to stop your self going hypo

R for during the day with each meal
Log for post work out

you have a PM

I've been doing 10iu apon waking prior to breakfast.
It's working, I'm def gaining. But a bit fat.

Well, I started with 3iu PWO yesterday. Jam had stated that the peak could last anywhere from 2-4 hours, so in an effort to try and time it, I drank a whey protein shake with 75mg dextrose and creatine 20 minutes after my injection, then 45 minutes later I ate a 6 oz. chicken breast, 1 cup of rice, 1 cup of green beans, and 1.5 cups of skim milk, then an hour-and-a-half later I had another protein shake with a 1.5 cups of cranberry juice. Another hour later, just before bed, I had a PM Protein shake (time release protein) with one cup of cranberry juice and a cup of yogurt (just to get a tad bit more sugar in me before going to bed). I was BLOATED as hell, but slept good and felt like a million bucks when I woke up. At the most, throughout the evening after my shot, I consumed no more than 5 grams of fat.

I'm going to up it to 4iu after my workout today and keep you posted on how things are going.

Any thoughts on my diet after my shot? Etc?

Well, I started with 3iu PWO yesterday. Jam had stated that the peak could last anywhere from 2-4 hours, so in an effort to try and time it, I drank a whey protein shake with 75mg dextrose and creatine 20 minutes after my injection, then 45 minutes later I ate a 6 oz. chicken breast, 1 cup of rice, 1 cup of green beans, and 1.5 cups of skim milk, then an hour-and-a-half later I had another protein shake with a 1.5 cups of cranberry juice. Another hour later, just before bed, I had a PM Protein shake (time release protein) with one cup of cranberry juice and a cup of yogurt (just to get a tad bit more sugar in me before going to bed). I was BLOATED as hell, but slept good and felt like a million bucks when I woke up. At the most, throughout the evening after my shot, I consumed no more than 5 grams of fat.

I'm going to up it to 4iu after my workout today and keep you posted on how things are going.

Any thoughts on my diet after my shot? Etc?

how long is it between you actually doing the slin shot and the time you go to bed??
just make sure you have a glucose drink on hand at all times just incase -

I did my slin shot at 6pm and went to bed at 10pm, so it had been 4 hours. I drank the cranberry juice and had the yogurt right before I went to bed, which had plenty of sugar.

I have a ton of different juices, due to my 1-1/2-year-old daughter, on hand with lots of sugar in them. In addition, the Cell-Tech I have claims to have 75g of laboratory grade dextrose.

be careful about that, you don't want to fall into a coma overnight.
that would suck!

Maybe I'll just get some Humalog so I don't have to worry about that! LoL

be careful about that, you don't want to fall into a coma overnight.
that would suck!

I have to agree with that big time....Dude that is just too risky at night. Maybe an hour before dinner but I will never take slin before bed. I have gone slightly hypo during a Monday morning meeting. Damn thing took way too long and I needed to eat and eat fast. I cannot imagine how my wife would feel if I woke up that way during the night, or if I woke up at all.

If your going to do it, your going to do it. But I would definitely have more carbs if you are going to do it.

BTW, your not putting any T-3 into the mix, are you?

I have to agree with that big time....Dude that is just too risky at night. Maybe an hour before dinner but I will never take slin before bed. I have gone slightly hypo during a Monday morning meeting. Damn thing took way too long and I needed to eat and eat fast. I cannot imagine how my wife would feel if I woke up that way during the night, or if I woke up at all.

If your going to do it, your going to do it. But I would definitely have more carbs if you are going to do it.

BTW, your not putting any T-3 into the mix, are you?

bump - thats the reason I asked about your timing - they are so many things that can change the peek time of your slin that taking R that close to bed is taking a pretty big risk..
This is why log is recommended - in and out of your system alot quicker

No T-3 at all!

I'll get home from the gym about 5:45pm and take a shot of slin. At 6pm I will have a Cell-Tech shake which has 10g of Creatine and 75g of Dextrose, along with that I will drink a whey protein shake with skim milk, which has 12g of sugars, so this is a total 87g of sugars. As soon as I am done drinking those, I put chicken in the oven, so it will be ready at a time equal to one hour after my shot. With the chicken breast, I eat rice, & green beans (or corn), with a glass of milk. This way I get some sugars from the milk as well as complex carbs from the rice. An hour-and-a-half later I drink a protein shake and have a glass (1.5 cups) of Cranberry juice, which has 49.5g of sugars. I stay up another hour and drink a glass of some other type of juice before I go to bed, which takes me to around 10pm, so 4 hours after my shot. I have read in a few places that the effects can last 6-8 hours but the half life is 4 hours. Isn't this why we take weekly shots of Test, EQ, etc, because they can last for 2-3 weeks in our system, but their active half life is about 1 week? I respect every opinion and thought you guys drop on here, so if you think I would be better off with using Humalog under the same circumstances, then I will order it. The Humulin-R was just right around the corner, ya know. Thanks bros!

the other reason log is suggested is because you want to shuttle the nutrients as fast as you can into the muscles worked - with log you can do that within 60-90 mins - I just personally think 4-6 hours with R is not quick enough to get the nutrients there..

I'll order the Log then. In the mean time, should I just run the R at 3iu with each meal, continue with PWO until the Log gets here and then do the R with each meal, or forget the R altogether?

I'll order the Log then. In the mean time, should I just run the R at 3iu with each meal, continue with PWO until the Log gets here and then do the R with each meal, or forget the R altogether?

just use the R at 3ius per meal - forget about using it PWO..
when you get the log then use that pwo and R during the day - dont forget if you are using r during the day no more than 3-4 times a week and only for a 6 week run

Hey Jam its been a while since i posted and have run slin r on many occasions.Can you refresh my memory on the theory behing running 3ius pre meal..I seem to get fat from pwo 10ius or more but love it when i am bulking..My thought is if it peaks in 2 to 4 hours how will that help just proir to a meal.

Bump - for mpotter123 . . . I'm curious as to this as well.

Just my 2 cents worth.....Slin aint a hormone you want to run while such in doubt on doing so. There is no room for error with this stuff as im sure you all know, but if this many questions have to be asked WHILE using, shouldnt that be a huuuuge motherfreakin concern? Dbolman, you should have at least 95% of these questions allready answered and in the bank before you start poking this stuff. No intention to flame here but one really can't afford to f*ck witht his stuff without fully knowing what they are dealing with.

Hey Jam its been a while since i posted and have run slin r on many occasions.Can you refresh my memory on the theory behing running 3ius pre meal..I seem to get fat from pwo 10ius or more but love it when i am bulking..My thought is if it peaks in 2 to 4 hours how will that help just proir to a meal.

the reason you do 3ius of hum R is to absorb the nutrients of the next meal - not the one you have just eaten. The reason 3ius is used is because it has minimal impact on your own bodies secretion of insulin. The problem you will have using Hum R at 10ius pwo is that the peak is so long it will have a huge impact on your system - this is why log is recommended- it has a peak time of about 1 hour and is out of your system completely within 4-6 hours so it does not have the impact that Hum R does..
I really would not use Hum R as your main insulin shot to upload the nutrients pwo - yes you could take it before you train and time it so you workout and have your meal in the peak time BUT there are to many variables to take into account - the insulin can be absorbed quicker trough exercise - stress etc so it would be virtually impossible to guess when the insulin would be peaking and the last thing you would want is to go hypo during training
Stick to log pwo - you can use log at 3ius before each meal but you would need to do a shot every 2 hours to keep the insulin at a nice steady level