Im looking for muscle gains so hgh would be the route correct. How many iu do i need for a cycle. Do i shoot it everyday or just workout days. How do u mix it.

GH is for long term gains.. you wont see muscle gains as such for a while - Gh helps form new cells and this takes time - you then expand those cells through lifting weights. GH has many great qualities but for building muscle its not the best - you really need to use gh for 6 months+ to get the real benefits from it

Im looking for muscle gains so hgh would be the route correct. How many iu do i need for a cycle. Do i shoot it everyday or just workout days. How do u mix it.


About 9 Link over across the top there is a button called Search. Click it and type Growth Hormone. After a question like that, it is quite obvious to me that you have absolutely no idea what you are even thinking about doing. I would have to suggest to you to read as much as you can. Hell, get some books on the matter as well.

You need to learn more about these things you want to put into your body. Here's a head start for ya. NO, you can't spray it under your tongue. NO, you can't rub it on your skin.

Increase you Amino Acid intake to help your own GH release....


Injectable HGH cannot be taken effectively by spray, tablets, or by swallowing. Injectable HGH - Human Growth Hormone Injection however is most effective when applied by sub-cutaneous or intramuscular injection. Human Growth Hormone (Hgh) are secretagogues, mostly amino acids, which cause the pituitary to liberate a small amount of human growth hormone, but these are much less effective than real recombinant human growth hormone (rHGH). True (rHGH) injectable hgh- human growth hormone injection is dispensed only with a prescription and can only be taken by sub-cutaneous or intramuscular injection. There are other alternative Injectable HGH products. There is the sub-lingual spray version which is taken under the tongue. The other alternative comes in tablet form. These methods however are certainly not as effective as the injectable HGH - human growth hormone form, but are used by patients who are afraid to take needles or simply cannot afford the injectable hgh treatment.

ok yeah again i aske this question on the other board and get the same reply . I want to know how much i need, when to take, and how to mix?

Thank you

ok yeah again i aske this question on the other board and get the same reply . I want to know how much i need, when to take, and how to mix?

Thank you

if your getting the same answers then research it - there is a wealth of knowledge out there.. for the money you spend on GH its got to be worth knowing all there is about it -

Hey did a search for you and found many different ways of running it, here you go. pick one or run it both ways and see what you like best, and or a combo of them both, but first off and foremost, make sure your getting your HGH legally through a doctor.

FIRST WAY.

DOC'S PROTOCOL FOR TAKING GROWTH HORMONE:

ON Days: Take 3 i.u.'s rHGH in a single shot for 6 days. Eat normally.

OFF Days: Don't take any rHGH for 8 days. Keep carbohydrates very low (meat, chicken, fish, eggs, lactose free milk.) A very low carbohydrate diet allows you to drop insulin level. It is not necessary to go into ketosis, but try to keep insulin as low as possible.

WHAT YOU ARE DOING: You are building up GH concentration in the cytoplasm of liver cells and every cell in the body. GH will bind with protein and DNA, and this will cause them to have all the metabolic effects that growth hormone causes. The main effect of Growth Hormone in the liver is production of various IGF's (insulin growth factors).

The half life of intracellular Growth Hormone is 3 to 4 days. You can see this when you train in the gymnasium, because you can see muscle "pump" and strength gains for a week after you stop taking GH.

You have to have at least 3 i.u.'s to increase the level of intra-cellular GH concentration. Once you reach these greater concentrations, the effect of GH persists for up to a week. If you don't get the GH concentration much higher than it would be if you didn't take GH, then you are never going to have much effect.

Growth hormone binds to DNA and causes, or stimulates, the DNA to produce more ribosomes. Then GH binds to ribosomes and activates them to turn out IGF-1 molecules. IGF-1 molecules leave the cytoplasm and go into the plasma, thus becoming circulating IGF-1. IGF-1 has a half life of about 20 hours.

IGF-1 and insulin both do very similar things: they both attach to receptors of muscle cells. The receptors are very similar. These receptors are part of the cell membrane structure. GH and insulin both increase the cellular membrane permeability of certain amino acids, to thus facilitate the transfer of those amino acids into the muscle cells into the sarco-plasm.

The amino acids that insulin facilitates to cross are different than the amino acids that IGF-1 helps to cross. The entire array of both of them combined is what is necessary for "proteo-genesis" (new protein for muscles). It is like a double key system in a bank safe: you need both keys, or you can't open the safe. You need ALL the amino acids that IGF-1 helps to cross AND all the amino acids that insulin helps to cross, or you can't have proteo-genesis.

High IGF-1 with low insulin has no anabolic effect because to have new proteo-genesis you need ALL the amino acids helped across by IGF-1 AND of insulin. Low IGF-1 and high insulin also does not help to build muscle because IGF-1 is missing, so the amino acid array is incomplete.

ATP can be formed in ample amounts from glucose, fat, or protein. If IGF-1 synthesis by the liver is markedly reduced during ketosis, as I've theorized, it would have to be the result of specific enzyme changes resulting from low insulin concentrations. Low insulin levels cause widespread metabolic changes throughout the body by changing specific enzyme systems.

In fact, low insulin output, by itself, causes shutdown of proteogenesis, regardless of IGF-1 levels, and is the primary (and maybe the only) cause of the greatly increased output of GH during starvation or keto dieting.

Low insulin also increases fat mobilization, an effect enhanced by elevated GH. So, now I withdraw my prediction of low IGF-1 levels during ketosis, but if they occur, low IGF-1 may be an additive factor in the stimulation of GH output, and in the shutdown of muscle proteogenesis.

Growth hormone goes into the insulin producing cells of the pancreas to greatly increase the output of insulin, so insulin goes way up... unless there is very little carbohydrate... in which case high insulin doesn't happen. If it did, you could go into a hypoglycemia coma, and you could even die. Nobody knows how this happens, but when GH goes into the pancreas, something turns off the pancreas's response to glucose.

Acromegalic Giants all become Type I diabetics eventually, because GH has so overstimulated their insulin producing cells that they have literally burned out. (Type I diabetes means their pancreas doesn't produce any insulin.)

The other effect of GH is that it makes us insulin resistant to glucose concentration. The beauty of this insulin resistance is that it allows us to have a high insulin levels without profound hypoglycemia, and together with the IGF-1 this then gives us a maximum anabolic effect.

But prolonged elevated insulin and insulin resistance could lead us in the wrong direction, and Type II diabetes. So in the week off GH, the very low carbohydrate levels causes very low insulin levels, which hopefully reestablishes normal insulin sensitivity. This restores certain enzyme concentrations back to levels that support the burning of fat, instead of glucose and amino acids (catabolic burning of muscle) to cover the energy requirements.

All this means that we have to cycle... and the cycle is: one week ON growth hormone and carbohydrates, and one week OFF growth hormone and carbohydrates.

Growth hormone, however, causes A.D.H. (Anti-Diuretic Hormone) to go up. ADH is a very potent coronary constrictor which also constricts veins. It is produced starting in the hypothalamus. The nerve endings of certain neurons in the hypothalamus reach into the posterior pituitary, and ADH and oxicitocin come from the posterior pituitary. ADH can go up to 20 times normal levels with fear, or anger, and stress. This can cause coronary constriction within minutes, and this can cause a massive heart attack.

Growth hormone makes ADH go up, and as a direct effect of this, water retention goes up, which causes higher blood pressure. ADH is dose dependent of GH, which is why you have to drop the dose if blood pressure goes up too high, until your circulatory system adjusts to handle it. This is the only bad side effect of an otherwise very good dose of growth hormone.

"Clonidine" is the safest high blood pressure medicine. It causes no side effects, and no impotency of any kind. It is indicated if you have high blood pressure due to ADH.

ABOUT ARIMIDEX:

Prohormone precursors (eg., androstenedione) can aromatize directly to estrogen. So don't take androstenedione, or androstenediol, etc. They are all more likely to aromatize to estrogen than testosterone. Arimidex protects you from aromatization from all of them. Arimidex is a breakthrough, it is breakthrough medicine. Everybody (men and women) should probably be on 1 pill of Arimidex per week.

If somebody is taking GH and also testosterone, then they are getting increased water retention from the increase in ADH, and also increased sodium retention from elevated testosterone. Aromatization of testosterone increases with age. So if you take Arimidex, you block the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. This then helps to reduce water retention due to elevated estrogen. If you also take clonidine, this stops elevated ADH, which stops the active water retention.

Testimonial re: Arimidex alone (without testosterone)

13/6/2006

I took one whole tablet of Arimidex - I had a little tingling in the feet and dryness of the mouth and my heart beat was raised to 80 at resting , normally 60, however I was not exactly going through the happyes t moment of my life being upset over my lady. I also suffered from a bit of insomnia which I'm not sure was caused by Arimidex... but if it is, that is fine you have to forgo something to achieve something else. Mind you, I'm so in touch with my body that I will notice anything.

16/6/2006 - I took half a tablet. Again same symptoms and was getting tired so I thought I would give it a little rest.

27/6/2006 I took 1/4 of a tablet . Johnny wakes up again in the night, but this time it was due to an erection... mmmm...

In the days that follow I notice a change... I feel more sexy, less tired in the morning... I always have an erection, I masturbate at least twice a day (sorry for the details but I'm single at the moment... and this a a sign my health is improving.)

4/7/2006 I take 1/4 tablet again... I notice I have trouble sleeping even on such a small dose, which is great in a a way, because it looks like I can benefit on a small dose. My Sex drive is so much better, I almost feel like I did 14 years ago, and my body has been choked up with estrogen. I have only consumed 2 tablets and have seen an amazing improvement, in drive, quality of erection, sensitivity... and its not psycho-somatic... not when you wake up in the night with an erection that never happened for a long while without the stimulus of a female partner. Like I said, I know my body.

SECOND WAY.

I am happy to help you out bro as it is critical to get the timing sequence down for optimal growth. I have been personally testing different protocols with igf use, having done over 20 different cycles and timing schedules. I also have a few competitive bodybuilders and test subjects off-season testing my new protocols. I have nailed down what I feel is the best protocol at this time, though everything is subject to change as I keep researching.

For now I have found that less is more. I highly recommend using a minimal schedule for all short chain sequence peptides, which include igf, insulin and even gh. I recommend using no more than 3 days per week, 2 days is fine, but no more than 3. The reason for this is that we are trying to prevent cell over-saturation and closure. All three products should be used in a similar manner.

The protocol is as follows; inject all products post workout, preferably after training large muscle groups which cause the most glycogen depletion, hence providing faster uptake of peptides. A sample layout is to inject Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Immediately post-workout inject 10-15iu of growth hormone IM, using a insulin pin and inject in any small muscle group such as delts, triceps, or biceps. Wait 20 minutes for the half-life clearance and conversion to igf to begin its sequence from the growth hormone and then inject a small dose of igf to create a synergistic super charge of the conversion process. I would recommend no more than 30mcg at this time. 10 minutes later you will take Humalog insulin only, and inject 5iu. I recommend starting with 5iu because Humalog has a very rapid onset and is easy to control with sugar. In conjunction with igf, you will be hyper-sensitive to insulin so start small and slowly work your way up to a maximum dose of 12iu post-workout. You will want to have around 80-100 grams of simple sugars such as dextrose and grape juice and an additional 60 grams of whey protein at the same time as your insulin. You will then eat another moderate glycemic index meal one hour after your high glycemic shake.

The reason for the high dose growth hormone is to take what would normally be your one week intake of gh and spread it out into 3 equal doses, injected pwo. This will create a truly anabolic rich environment and you will also benefit from full uptake due to your pwo depleted state.
So there is our post-workout regime, 3 days per week. Certainly you should take more than this, shouldn’t you? For most lifters, this protocol will be sufficient for growth. For someone with at least 6 months of gh use, 5 or more cycles of insulin and who no longer responds to typical igf protocols, the following regime may be followed: In addition to the above outline post-workout method, you may add additional doses of igf as well as insulin on the same day as your post-workout injection.

I would highly recommend you take 15mcg igf an additional two times per day. By taking less igf more often you will prevent cell over-saturation as well as receptor down-regulation. Creating a cell rich environment that saturates the cells infrequently will target massive cell proliferation. In addition you will take insulin 20 minutes after the igf on those 2 additional injections creating an anabolic rich environment that will last all day, 3 days per week.
For a sample protocol for someone that works out after work, I would recommend you do the following: Take 15mcg upon rising in the morning, followed by 10iu Humulin R or Humalog 20 minutes later. Immediately eat a carbohydrate rich meal with quality protein and low fat such as bananas, oatmeal and egg whites.
For lunch, take another 15mcg igf with 10iu insulin and have another moderate glycemic carbohydrate meal and protein with minimal fats. Follow the above listed pwo protocol to complete your three time injection schedule which will be used three times per week.

If you follow the outline laid out for you above to the letter, you will put on a massive amount of lean mass with a minimal amount of fat. You will need an anabolic and androgen rich environment to complete the schedule such as testosterone and tren in addition to the peptide products. T3 and T4 will not be necessary on this schedule as your thyroid levels will not be affected.


THIRD WAY.

10 IU's pre work out no more than 30 minutes before work out the less time the better.

Forth WAY.

10-20 IU's post work out, no more than 20 minutes after work out the less time the better.

5th way fat loss slow muscle gain way.
2-8 IU's every day 24/7.

On all of the ways listed here, you will still need to work your way up to the larger doses, and even then some ppl can not take the larger dose with out getting bad side effects, Your doctor will go over this with you. some of the ways run here can add muscle fairly fast, but nothing compared to test or other steroids, again your doctor will go over this with you. When i am older and able to take steroids from my Doctor and HGH I am going to run anavar and HGH as my main stay slow good no fat no bloat gains,+ mad strength gains. Print this up when you bring it to your Doctor and he can explain stuff to you.

Take GH for at least 4 months, everything less is waist of money (accept if you use it to recover).

Result of well being, some lipolysis,improved skin appearance: 2iu daily
Moderate lipolysis, better sleep, more energy: 3iu daily
Begin to see fullness in the muscle,advanced lipolysis: 4iu daily
Muscular hypertrophy, feeling like a king, full as hell: 5iu daily


Month 1: Improved stamina, better and sound sleep, more optimistic attitude and an increase in energy.

Month 2: Improved muscle tone, enhanced sexual function, improved nail growth, improved skin tone, better digestion, increase in strength and beginning weight loss.

Month 3: Improved mental processes, muscle size increase, increase in sexual desire, and body flexibility.

Month 4: General heightening of the first three results.

Month 5: Impressive weight loss and reduction in inches (greater body mass with improved and thickened skin, greater skin elasticity, and improved hair appearance (i.e. healthier looking hair).

Month 6: Greatly reduced cellulite, improved eyesight, better emotional stability, stronger immune system with greater resistance to colds and flu, reduction in joint pain and soreness greater exercise tolerance, in cholesterol (LDL) and triglycerides, and improved heart rate

ok yeah again i aske this question on the other board and get the same reply . I want to know how much i need, when to take, and how to mix?

Thank you

And the penny still hasn't dropped?!!:stup:

WOW, you guys are leaving some things out....

Feeling tired after your inject.. I have always taken my GH before bed

(While your sleeping your body release most of the GH. This is when you body recovers. So if you inject extra GH into your body, you are actually tricking your body into thinking it's sleeping. You will feel tired until you reprogram your body)

Carpal Tunnel syndrome....If this happens drop the dose down a bit until it goes away, then SLOWLY increase the dosage until you know what your body can tolerate.

These are only short term affects as as of to date, I do not know of any long term effects if taken GH the way it should be taken. With GH, as any other drug, when you abuse it your body will react as such.

Get a book and read all about it and how it works.

Grow Young with HGH by DR. Ronald Klatz is a great one to get started on. He is the President of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.

you might want to look in to T3 as well....
research research research research research research research research research research research research

WOW, you guys are leaving some things out....

Feeling tired after your inject.. I have always taken my GH before bed

(While your sleeping your body release most of the GH. This is when you body recovers. So if you inject extra GH into your body, you are actually tricking your body into thinking it's sleeping. You will feel tired until you reprogram your body)

What about it interfering with your own natural release? That's why I don't take mine before bed.

What about it interfering with your own natural release? That's why I don't take mine before bed.

@ 41 years old, there is nothing to interfere with.

With these professional BB slamming 10-20 iu's will need to break it up throughout the day. With the level of GH most people will be putting into their bodies 3-5 iu's won't make a difference. Anymore than that, it should be broken up. But unless you plan on competing or pissing money away because 90% of people do not buy enough nor can they afford enough to run those amounts for long periods of time. If I had the choice to run 3-5 iu's for 5 months or 10-12 for 2.5 months, I'd take the longer run every time.

So for it to interfere with the average doses that should be taken for non-comp...not an issue.

you might want to look in to T3 as well....
research research research research research research research research research research research research

I wanted to bump every one here bro, but this one had the best quote.

thanks for info . I tried searching couldnt find all info.

So it is measured in ius how many ius come in an amp and How do u mix it.

What amount would u recommend I use for say 6-12 months to see musclar gains. 8-10 ius a day

So it is measured in ius how many ius come in an amp and How do u mix it.

are you sure you have been researching - not busting your balls but the answers to this is pretty basic stuff with GH - amps???? are you sure??

believe me after that reply i wont waste my time. wtf im asking a couple of simple questions. i reasearch and have to look through all kinds of bullshit to find what im looking for. Im asking a direct question. jam its basic stuff to u cause u have used it i havent so is it basic to me no

What amount would u recommend I use for say 6-12 months to see musclar gains. 8-10 ius a day

For a first time user, No Way. Especially one who has no cycle experience, or has posted his stats yet ( from what I see so far ). Are you a teen or an adult? What is your diet like? Are you a lazy fat bastard looking for an easy fix and think this is some kind of magic solution? What's the deal? If I missed that part, I apologize. But I can't find it.

If you run 10 iu's per day, that will be 3.5 kits per month x 8 months taking into consideration how difficult it would be to get right now and how much it would be about as much as a brand new Chevrolet Cobalt. After rebate of course...

Not including everything else that goes with it.....

Now before you start doing something that can change your Skeletal structure, I suggest you read as much as you can.

i been lifiting for three years marty. not no lazy fat bastard. 230 about 10 percent body fat. I did two aas cycles. So then for some gains how much would u recomend marty. Im looking for some lean body mass and help with recovery as i do roofing and lift

that's mo betta....

A mild cycle of some test and eq. 400/300. Run some GH @ no more than 4iu's to start. See how you feel after a month and bump is up a couple to 6iu's. No reason to go any higher. Run it everyday for at least 6 months (if you can afford that). Add some T-3 into the mix. Run it for no more than 4 weeks, take 4 weeks off and run it again off and on that way while you taking the GH. Don't want any thyroid problems. Run the T-3 .50 for a week .75 for 2 and back down to .50 for 1.

T-3 increases your absorption rate for everything. You already know what expect from the gear. Your diet will be crucial. If you maintain a good clean diet and able to put some protein in you every 2 hours, the fat will just start falling off and the muscle will come. By the time spring comes around you will be raising eye brows..Just tell them your getting ready for MLB.

Thanks man. Take the 4 ius before bedtime.

that's mo betta....

A mild cycle of some test and eq. 400/300. Run some GH @ no more than 4iu's to start. See how you feel after a month and bump is up a couple to 6iu's. No reason to go any higher. Run it everyday for at least 6 months (if you can afford that). Add some T-3 into the mix. Run it for no more than 4 weeks, take 4 weeks off and run it again off and on that way while you taking the GH. Don't want any thyroid problems. Run the T-3 .50 for a week .75 for 2 and back down to .50 for 1.

T-3 increases your absorption rate for everything. You already know what expect from the gear. Your diet will be crucial. If you maintain a good clean diet and able to put some protein in you every 2 hours, the fat will just start falling off and the muscle will come. By the time spring comes around you will be raising eye brows..Just tell them your getting ready for MLB.

Perfect....

believe me after that reply i wont waste my time. wtf im asking a couple of simple questions. i reasearch and have to look through all kinds of bullshit to find what im looking for. Im asking a direct question. jam its basic stuff to u cause u have used it i havent so is it basic to me no


yes its basic stuff to me because before I used it I did my research - just trying to point out you will learn ALOT more by doing your own research as GH is a very involved drug - so much more than anything else we use IMO..

yes its basic stuff to me because before I used it I did my research - just trying to point out you will learn ALOT more by doing your own research as GH is a very involved drug - so much more than anything else we use IMO..

see what he is saying to you, did you read my post I researched it for 5 minutes for you and found all that, he is saying that and all of us are that you need to research tis stuff before you do anything, if you do not you will get hurt this is not pot and this is not the high school locker room.+ it would be best if you talked to a doctor , use my link on anti aging go to that clinic they will help you my bro. be safe we are all worried about you messing up.