View Full Version : some pro advice needed please
sd351 09-22-2007, 06:09 PM firstly, id like to say hello as im a new user..i have ben trainin regularly for a few years now..jus recently, have a considered roids..i dont want to take injections, however, want minimal risks..i am considering taking
week 1-3 dbol
week 3-6 winstrol
week 6-9 dbol and winstrol
week 9-12 -
week 12-15 pct
i will b a first time user, and do not want to become ugly big.. but obviously, a nice size and lean..hate the thort of 'bi*ch tits' (excuse my language)...n e suggestions..how much i shuld be taking?..should i also look into anything else?..how do i minimise any risks?..etc etc...
advice would be much appreciated..thank you
Anadrol_king 09-22-2007, 07:19 PM well, I think you first need to post up lifting history and you need to research your compounds way more guy like for about a year or 2 before you even consider taking any roids. this is why, you said you want min side effects, and good gains and no injections, ok now d-bal not only has all the side effects but you will get at least 2 of them while taking this stuff and... it shuts you down hard requiring an extensive pct that will be 2 times longer than the cycle itself. Now winstrol is good but some ppl get sore joints from it, i dont but this could deter you from lifting so this is what i suggest. Drop the d-bals drop the winny. And research anavar turanabol primobonal. Gains maybe slower but you will keep 90-100% from anavar 100% from primo inject or oral, and 85% of turanabol or more. Also non of this will even matter if your diet is not perfect. Also if your diet is perfect and your on the vars or primo or all 3, and your lifting regime or form is bad or not close to perfect, again this will still not matter for strength and size gains. Although you probably will get toned with no problems. Also what you did here... asking this shows your not stupid and want to learn so keep asking and dont not ask something because you feel it might make you look stupid or feel weired, ask them all we all did as well. Oh and welcome home!
IRONBULL05 09-22-2007, 09:40 PM Bro I agree that you need to do much more research before even considering cycling.What is your age and stats? Like asked,what is your diet and training like?
That is a terrible choice for a first cycle brotha.
You say you want minimal risks but are considering orals? They give the most risk.Test should be your first cycle.Test alone.Test E or C @ 500mg ew would be best for you to keep your levels stable during the cycle.You want to see how your body reacts on the test alone before you even think of adding in more compounds.Some grow like a weed on 250mg without any sides,while others have neg sides that make them quit the cycle.By doing the test only,you know what your individual needs are.
Research brotha.This is the key to anything in life! This is a game of longevity and you want to start it off right to minimize sides and keep yourself healthy over the yrs.
Good luck bro.
mr.nitro 09-22-2007, 11:55 PM I don't like the cycle at all. if you absolutly have to do oral only cycles, do something like anavar. the gains will be moderate compaired to injectables though.
jeffro77 09-23-2007, 12:42 AM its good your asking questions though man instead of jumping straight into it, were all here to help each other so dont be shy. what Anadrol King suggested is the way to go give it a shot and see how you go.
Pakololo 09-23-2007, 04:23 AM Go with injectables. Oral is much more toxic to the liver
Pakololo 09-23-2007, 04:23 AM Oral stresses the liver WHy don't you want injectables?
jamoliv 09-23-2007, 06:41 AM welcome to freakz..
I really think you should have alook around here and do a little home work. There is some great info here and should answer alot of the questions you have.
what are your stats ? age - weight - height - lifting experience - whats your diet like.....???????
IMO AAS should not be suggested before someones age is know....
Anton 09-23-2007, 07:29 PM Hit the books playa! Orals alone is a waste & makes no sense period! After a bit of research, you will understand this & will then be able to create a solid cycle!.jmo.:)
Anadrol_king 09-23-2007, 07:34 PM orals are not a waist of time, it really depends on your goals, and Like Jam stated age... we really need to know your age and every thing else about you before anyone can say what to do. What I said to do was for you to do 1-2 years from now after you your research you jump into doing roids not knowing what you are doing and you can mess your self up fairly good.
Anton 09-23-2007, 08:31 PM Orals are not a waste of time, but imo oral cycles alone are, just not worth it, if your looking to make/keep gains!
naplestraining 09-23-2007, 09:16 PM The gains "maintianed" on orals are minimum compared to test.
I think you'd all agree, A good standard first cycle should be 500mg test enthanate for 10-14 weeks. Follwed by PCT.
All my gear is inj now. I don't waste my time, or money, with orals.
mr.nitro 09-23-2007, 11:30 PM I don't care for orals, they always give me the worse side effects.
Anadrol_king 09-24-2007, 01:02 AM I love orals, but i love injects as well, but I also like all oral cycle, anavar with winny or var winny primobolan proviron cycles. work great i think.
Tadger 09-25-2007, 01:38 AM Awe hell... just man up, wash the sand out of your vagina, and buy yourself some test.
You'll see better results all around. It's more cost effective, and if you're gonna take the risk... you may as well do it right.
Storm 09-25-2007, 08:58 AM ...wash the sand out of your vagina...
???
MARTYUSA 09-25-2007, 09:15 AM ???
He is saying, "quit complaining that your pussy hurts!" (basically)
storm do you know what a vagina is?
Storm 09-25-2007, 04:01 PM storm do you know what a vagina is?
You show me yours, I'll show you mine.
Tadger 09-27-2007, 09:20 PM ???
Try wearing your ovaries on the outside for once and go buy some test.
Better? ;)
Storm 09-27-2007, 11:08 PM Lol
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