View Full Version : Help on second cycle


Playa J
01-29-2002, 09:18 PM
I'm 21 and finished a cycle about 2 months ago were I took 400mg Deca and 300mg test prop a week for 7 weeks. I then took clomid for 2 weeks to regulate hormone levels. During this time I went from 6'3 weighing about 170 to 185 and gained alot of strength and have kept almost all of it. Now I am begining to order stuff for my second cycle and have a few questions. As of right now I plan on using 500mg deca and 500mg test prop a week because I liked that combination and didn't have any side effects that lasted more than a few days after I was off it. But then again I don't have any experiance with any other drugs to compare it too, so I was wondering if any vet. could offer me some advise. If you need any other info just ask. Thanks alot,
-J-

Playa J
01-29-2002, 09:32 PM
Oh yah, I should prob tell you my goals.... heh whoops. Anyways, I want to gain more mass, but also maybe cut like 4% body fat. I will prob also take 4 or so weeks of clem during this cycle if that means anything meeting these goals.

Titaniumspine
01-29-2002, 10:02 PM
Well, first off, pick one, mass or cuts. Do one at a time, it is much easier. Second, 4% bf is not a realistic bf to maintain. You need 2 or 3% just to hold your organs in place, etc... So anyone that tells you that they are sitting at 2% is either lying, or poorly used calipers, which will not be accurate at that low, IMHO.... Are you training for a show? If so, you would want to plan your cycle(s) based on when the show is........

Stay off as least as long as on...

Don't go nuts with the deca. Deca at higher doses can lead to progesterone gyno, so make sure you have winny on hand. If you have your heart set on Deca & test, you might consider running something like this....

wk 1-8 or 10 Deca 400mg/wk
wk 1-8 or 10 Test 500mg/wk
weeks 1-6 or 8 winny 50mg/ed

The winny will assist with strength and combat progesterone bloat from the deca, and you could add arimidex to keep the bloat down from aromatization of the test. Normally I advise against running orals for more than 6 weeks, but if you did an 8 week cycle and were careful, you would probably be OK at that low a dose.

Playa J
01-29-2002, 10:34 PM
Thanks alot for the advise. Also, I didn't mean to get to 4%bf, I wanted to lose about 4% (Im at about 12 right now or so). I saw you recomended winny for weeks 1-6 or 8... does that mean if I don't take it in the first 6 weeks, I should take it just the 8th or does that mean take it weeks 1-6 and 8? Thanks again,
-J-

Titaniumspine
01-29-2002, 10:52 PM
That means you use your judgement. I would go at least 8 weeks with deca, some would say 10.... So you make that call... Then you make the call on the winny..... I don't know if I'd go over the 8 weeks with winny though..... So either go weeks 1-6 OR go 1-8