EQ is hard to find, so what else goes well with test? this is for mass and weight gain. I'm a newb at this so i don't want to mix to things that aren't compatible. lil help?

It all mixes pretty well. If you're looking for mass consider, deca, fina (trenbolone) or dbol. Those will do you well.

(what's up tadger!) Belial recommended EQ and against d-bol, but EQ doesn't have alot of info on meorx so iwant to find something else to replace it. Probably deca then?

deca is alright, but EQ makes for more quality gains. As for fina, I would stay away from that for a first cycle.

-=Z=-

I wouldn't say eq makes for better quality gains than deca..... If it's a mass cycle, I'd go w/ the deca over the eq......

I read that sustanon makes for a good first cycle and its safe. I also read you can just cycle it by itself. heres the cycle day1 250mg, day12 250mg, day 30 250mg, 37 250mg, day44, day59 day58. seems reasonable says youlll gain from15 to 30lbs on it (depends on diet)

Originally posted by TylerDurden
I read that sustanon makes for a good first cycle and its safe. I also read you can just cycle it by itself. heres the cycle day1 250mg, day12 250mg, day 30 250mg, 37 250mg, day44, day59 day58. seems reasonable says youlll gain from15 to 30lbs on it (depends on diet)

Where did you get that schedule???? The spacing between shots makes no sense at all!!!!

Originally posted by TylerDurden
I read that sustanon makes for a good first cycle and its safe. I also read you can just cycle it by itself. heres the cycle day1 250mg, day12 250mg, day 30 250mg, 37 250mg, day44, day59 day58. seems reasonable says youlll gain from15 to 30lbs on it (depends on diet)

And I read somewhere that Elvis lives too. Just because you read something somewhere does not make it true or even a good idea. That is one of the worst cycles for using test I have seen in a while.

if you're just going to use sust, try at LEAST 2 amps (500mg) every 5 days.

-Z-

...and bump to t-spine re: deca over eq on the mass cycle...wasn't paying attention there. Deca will get you much more swole than eq will........everything 'cept your pecker that is.

heres wher i got that cycle.http://www.decadurabolin.net/cycles.htm

how can you not find EQ...shit's just as easy to find as deca.

I have to disagree with TS....I think EQ complments test must better than deca, since it is a test derivative.

You need to space your eq or deca and sust out to eod shots...to keep your plasma levels elevated.

In My Very Humble Opinion (and not to flame the people on that site) but all those cycles suck ass and arent very well thought out at all. when I first got into the game, that's how I came up with cycles and they didnt do a fucking thing for me cuz they werent researched very well.

what are you specific goals, stats, etc and the people here will offer up some better ideas.

I can find eq its just way to expensive 50mg/ml 10ml for 70$ For the same price I rather buy implants! lol. anyway I've heard many times over that sust is a good starter because it gives you good gains and your first time on it you can make these gains at 250 to 350 mg /wk. Also the side effects are kept to a min. Is this accurate information, or not?

stats: 150 5'9 age 22 skinny/ripped, bad genetics
goals: to look like the FREAK at the top of the page! no, just want to get to 175 add about 2 inches to bicept, bulky chest and abs, and some sweet ass legs. Can't forget the traps, want to be confident in a t-shirt. I've been working out since i was 15 but always at sets of 3 and 10-10-10 reps. ran the 2 mile in high school. eating 3500 cals/ day and am gaining mass slowly on my new routine. 10-8-6 's one body part once a week, except abs and calves. I feel growth from this and the extra cal. but i haven't gained weight!? I'm able to up my weight every other week so i am getting stronger.

It would be awful hard to take 350mg/week of sust, lol!
Wow, you ain't kiddin' $70 for 10ml...fuck that. You need a new hook up bro.

Ok, here's a good way to run a first bulk cycle. You may want to throw some dbol in there, but if you're just gonna run sust and deca, do this:

Week:
1 - sust/250mg, deca/200mg
2 - same
3 - same
4 - same
5 - sust/500mg, deca/400mg
6 - same
7 - same
8 - same

if you wanna strecth it into a 12 week cycle:

9 - sust/750mg, deca/600mg
10 - same
11 - same
12 - same

Thanks bdiggity I appreciate your support. So you’re saying not to try sust alone? Probably better results with both deca and sust, but better chances of side affects also. Do you think that 1 cycle will blow me up to where I want to be? Or is it going to take more than that?

Deca is pretty safe shit dude and IMO sust is too. I wouldn't worry too much about sides, but play it safe and get some nolva just in case and then get some clomid for after. Deca will help you solidify those gains a bit, since you will lose some of the weight due to just being water. That cycle should easily bring your 20lbs, as long as you eat right.

thanks, I'll consider it. how does deca solidify my gains?

no water retention and it's a very long acting ester so it will be in your system for a while after you're done using it.
It also cuts down on the pain of sust shots tremendously.

pain? never herd about that, what's with the pain?

buff's given ya some pretty solid advice.

sustenon/omnadren are painful injections. you'll be sore for a couple of days at the injection site with just sus. the deca helps "dilute" it or whatever in the muscle, so it doesnt hurt so bad. no dilute as in loses effectiveness thou.

is it true that you don't want to injsect more than 3cc into any muscle? something about it causes an oil cyst.

Dude, I think the majority of people gain the most on their first cycle. If I were you I would do about 500mg sustanon 250 for 10 weeks along with 6-8 d-bol (I like those little pink bastards) each day divided into 4 doses. Everyone is going to tell you that is way to much but your recepters are going to suck up all of that "VITAMIN J" so dont skimp on your first cycle. You dont want to be one of those guys who is affraid of the juice so you only do a little, just enough to see results and wind up staying on the gear for a year. Do a hearty cycle take a rest and do some more. Also if you do get your hands on some eq try to get a higher dose than 50mg. I dont think I have ever met any who has blasted an entire bottle of equi-gan in their first cycle. Starts to hurt a little after about the thirtieth cc. also watch for oil abcess. Good luck to ya. Keep us posted as to what you finally decide.

Sounds like good advice, Maybe i'll shoot the deca and test e. cycle. So what your saying is don't be a puss and come hard or don't come at all>?

Because the Sus contains prop it tends to leave the injection site sore. By mixing the two it helps cut down on this.

iM NY OPINION...do not run 750mg/WEEK AT YOUR SIZR FOR A FIRST CYCLE. 500mg/week would do you fine. You would see good gains alone on just sus, or add dbol, deca or both like the bros said above. Eat way moe than you are now, train your ass off and get at least 8 hrs of sleep a night. After an 8 to 10 week cycle, you will have an extra 20lbs easily.

peace

At 150 lbs, please give me an idea of an ideal day of meals that would be considered sufficent for running with the cycle. right now im eating:
beakfast- 3eggs, 1cup oatmeal, 5 mini sausage links
1st lunch(postworkout)= pure protien bar and a chicken breast 1 seving of rice.
2nd lunch: steak, can of tuna, 5 hardboiled eggs, 1/2 cup of cottage cheese
3rd meal:2.5 servings of albcore tuna
4th meal: 4 fish fillets and cottage cheese
5th meal: 4 hard boiled eggs and 3 pieces of chicken

follow these simple rules:

1. eat every 2 hours...whether you're hungry or not
2. get most 75% of your nutrition from real food
3. you want 1.5g of protein per day for every pound you weigh(150x1.5=225...I'd up it to 240/6 meals=40g/meal)
4. you want to bulk, so make sure you have carbs with every meal...in this case, I think you'll want about 300g/carbs per day.
5. 1.5 gals of H20/day
6. clean carbs only....yams, oatmeal, potatoes are best
7. get some whey protein and some MRP's.
8. eat all the way up to bed
9. glutamine...10g, 3x's/day on empty stomach(half hour before a meal is good and right after your train).
10. protein should include fish, chicken, tuna, eggs, red meat...everyday!

so pretty much what i'm doing now, except add a meal maybe couple protien bars and carbs with evry meal! ? Am i close to where i need to be? I haven't figured the caleries out but def. enough protien.

yeah...but you have too much protein in some meals and not enough in others. try to make it consistant in each w/in about 10grams.
Try to use only one "non food" meal a day. Much better for you.

alright, i'll rearrange it and get back to you on it